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ColorGHear [PART 2]
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  • @eatstoomuchjam

    Whole talk is little unreal. :-)

  • @eatstoomuchjam There's no licensing agreement with CG. I didn't create it to get rich. I just sold it for profit. so it could perpetuate itself. Make enough to keep the site running, and make the time I put into developing it and the videos worthwhile. There is nothing truly proprietary about CG, which is why so many were able to rip it off after it was ahead of the curve 6 years ago. I have no one to blame, but myself. And I'm always proud to hear that people have their jobs because of me and CG. Especially if they're doing good work. It just stings a little to see it used sometimes here and there, and I know immediately that it's CG, and it's always disheartening when it gets zero credit. This isn't the first time I've recognized it's usage, just the first time it's been confirmed.

  • @shian

    Can you make good video explaining CG approach, for PV? I'll be glad to promote it, if could understand fully finally.

  • That definitely is a shame that you weren't credited. But not surprising at all. Maybe it's time to add a license agreement or something, or disclaimer that you must be credited when it is used.

  • @Vitaliy_Kisalev I already have... it's pinned to the top of the thread.

  • Wow, I hadn't watched that in a while... was my voice really that deep?? That was just... wow?

  • @shian

    I mean shorter version for dummies.

  • @joethepro perhaps. Not entirely sure how to go about that, or how I'd even enforce it. I guess I'm just bummed about the general lack of honor in "American Culture". I suppose my own venom is partly to blame. I pissed a lot of people off with the way I used to be.. [and can still be, occasionally] I've had people come up to me that I tutored personally, and who confess they have careers because of me, and whom begrudgingly thank me for that. Getting people prepared to work in the industry and an advantage over film school alone, was every bit my intent. So I suppose not getting credit for my contribution is my just reward.

    It's interesting to see how it's handled with foreign users in various regions. The Japanese always reference it's use. (Most even send emails thanking me every time they receive accolades for work they've done with it, or with techniques I've taught), South America more often than not. Everywhere else is hit and miss.

  • @shian Very interesting. I feel the same about American culture, being an American. Were/are you just a hardass no-nonsense type of person/mentor? Overly sarcastic? How did you piss people off?

  • @joethepro Answer most commonly given: "Shian talks to people like they're idiots."

    For instance. Some of my local students who I've taught personally would bring me their work to have me critique it. And If it was good I'd tell them everything they did right and everything I thought could use improvement. And often these students had the ability to understand why things worked, and understanding why allows you apply techniques according to your own taste. (That's one of the main things I've tried to teach in all my lessons. And all of those students now have successful careers in image creation or manipulation) BUT everyone else just imitates. They learn techniques, and just use them without any motivation or through line. Cuz it's a cool effect, or whatever. They have no understanding, and I can spot it instantaneously and it just sets me off. When I saw work like that...I would rip it to shreds. Using language such as: "This is dogshit. Do you have a picture of what this actress looks like without your lighting? See, she's gorgeous, but you made her look fat. You're gonna give her a complex and an eating disorder, cuz you don't know how to properly set a fucking key light, even though we've gone over it hundreds of times. Your composition is crap... What were you thinking? What are you trying to say with this image? Cuz what it's telling me is that the person who shot it has no fucking clue what they're doing. They're just setting up a camera with no understanding of the scene, or what that scene requires to convey the proper tone. You're so pleased with your choice of gels, which I happen to like by the way, that you've ignored the fact that this image is completely inert, and you don't realize that your job is to assist the story. Help the actors make the audience feel what they need to feel in this moment. And you are giving them no help whatsoever. This is bush league." And this would be said in a nasty condescending tone. Which is not the most conducive way to teach... or make friends.

    Some have likened it to a mild form of Asperger's or something. Going all the way back to grade school in certain subjects I'd easily get the answers way before anyone else. And couldn't understand why no one else was there yet. My mistake for decades was assuming everyone else was either stupid or lazy, cuz I don't consider myself to be all that smart. I know now that I just have a gift for understanding certain things almost on an instinctual level, and that I'm the one who is NOT normal. Everyone else is just fine. Combine that with the fact that often times I can't readily describe what I'm seeing in my head using words in such a way that it paints a picture in other peoples' heads. So instead I would just tell people what to do, and say, "Trust me. You're not seeing it, but you will. Just do what I tell tell you to do, and we'll be fine." and most of the people who worked with me quickly learned to do just that. cuz once they saw it they'd be like... "Oh, that's what you meant." (If I ever write a book, that will be the title)

    Filmmaking is 90% problem solving, and I could solve the problems super fast, but the time it would take to explain it step by step to someone, and have them understand it before they acted on it was incredibly inefficient and frustrating for everyone involved. Most creatives have this issue, which is why people on film sets are conditioned to just follow orders. The Director or Director of Photography gives the order and you carry it out without question cuz time is money and you're not being paid to understand. You're being paid to act quickly and competently. But my mistake was that in many instances I treated people like crew even when we were nowhere near a film set... I've treated people on this message board the same way and it's not fair to them. I'm working in therapy now to change the way I approach things in regards to this.

    Bottom line is that my quick brain and ease of understanding things, and my frustration with those who don't, lead to an aire of arrogance and superiority. For the record. I am superior to no one. The main issue is that I take incompetence and ignorance as a personal offense. Which is the wrong way to approach things. It's why I've stayed away from PV over the past 3 years. Cuz in the arena of msg boards and social media, things can get combative very quickly and when they do, I usually get nasty. In short: I have shitty people skills.

  • Bottom line is that my quick brain and ease of understanding things, and my frustration with those who don't, lead to an aire of arrogance and superiority. For the record. I am superior to no one. The main issue is that I take incompetence and ignorance as a personal offense. Which is the wrong way to approach things. It's why I've stayed away from PV over the past 3 years. Cuz in the arena of msg boards and social media, things can get combative very quickly and when they do, I usually get nasty. In short: I have shitty people skills.

    It is all just another skill :-)

    And things you try to explain originate from simple fact that you spent around 10-100x more time and effort, so as you try to explain or demand same thing from people not having same neurons from learning/work - it will be utter failure. Hard thing.

  • It is clever to understand complex things. It is really clever to explain complex things simply.

  • @kinvermark

    It is really clever to explain complex things simply.

    Lot of complex things can't be "explained simply".

  • @shian Thanks for the explanation. I can understand the frustration of working with people who are not at your level. It definitely requires patience and tact to get the most out of the people who work for you. Best of luck in the future.

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